Minion Master 2nd proffesion? - Guild Wars Forums

Nerubz · Mar 02, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13

Hey, I'm pretty interested in the Minion Master build but I don't know which 2nd proffesion to choose

I've been thinking about Mo and use Heal Area spell to keep my minions alive before/after battle. And I didn't find any other useful spell like this one in other classes' skill listing. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Jiao Yang · Mar 02, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Im no MM but the main reason for being a N/Mo MM is for heal area so u can use it along side BotM.
N/Me is also used for the mesmer energy managment capabilities. Take a look and the pre-set pvp Minion Master for some ideas

Nerubz · Mar 02, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

I think that soul reaping is priceless... and yes heal area too ^^

Epinephrine · Mar 02, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

N/R. N/Mo is overrated, and heal area is wimpy. I'd much rather put a winnowing down and add 4 damage to all the attacks made by my horde, and have access to Serpent's Quickness to cycle spells fast (both raising them and getting my Verata's Sacrifice back up quicker), and have the option to use Energizing Winds to raise minions and fiends at 10 energy each etc...

Oh, and if you look there
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I started as a N/Mo, and typically run N/R for minions.

wsmcasey · Mar 02, 2006, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Is this or PvE or PvP? I'm guessing your N/R build is for PvP.

I prefer heal area. Its a decent self heal that counters your life sacrificing skills: veratas, botd. Plus any extra bit of minion healing between battles really helps.

Rayne Nightfyre · Mar 02, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

N/Mo is not as good of a choice as most seem to think. Yeah, Heal Area may seem like it would fit, but remember how Holy damage does double to undead? It is the same principle with Minions: Holy healing makes their health degen twice as fast. So yes, Heal Area gives a quick health boost to your Minions, but it hurts them also. So I strongly suggest against N/Mo. I prefer N/Me for energy spells, Also N/E is great for Glyph of Renewal {E}, used to double up on Verata's Sacrifice or Blood of the Master

wsmcasey · Mar 02, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

is there a post or link somewhere that confirms healing from "Heal Area" increases the degen rate of minions? I've never heard of this theory/fact before.

Mordakai · Mar 02, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

I'm pretty sure that theory was discounted.

Minions degen faster the longer they are around, regardless, correct?

Mandy Memory · Mar 02, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayne2550

N/Mo is not as good of a choice as most seem to think. Yeah, Heal Area may seem like it would fit, but remember how Holy damage does double to undead? It is the same principle with Minions: Holy healing makes their health degen twice as fast. So yes, Heal Area gives a quick health boost to your Minions, but it hurts them also. So I strongly suggest against N/Mo. I prefer N/Me for energy spells, Also N/E is great for Glyph of Renewal {E}, used to double up on Verata's Sacrifice or Blood of the Master

No bit of truth in that.

Heal area does not make minions degen faster.

Go N/Mo, its the best. Next best is N/R because you can use healing spring and serpents quickness.

Skuld · Mar 02, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

N/E.

Glyph of Renewal -> Verata's Sacrifice

imsystem · Mar 02, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordakai

I'm pretty sure that theory was discounted.

Minions degen faster the longer they are around, regardless, correct?

correct it dont matter what type of healing they get the fact that you see your minions degen faster when using heal area is because they stay alive longer not because of holy healing

also as n/r you can use healing seed aswell

if i remember right with n/e your able to keep constance verates and that is a plus

wsmcasey · Mar 02, 2006, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Well my thoughts are that "Healing is Healing", its not holy damage so I don't believe that the degen would be faster. However, keeping veratas up as much as possible is a good idea, and I've read several threads discussing options with other secondaries besides monk. Time for me to experiment I guess.

If you did use Glyph of renewal, then you will loose offering of blood, which I really like for energy in a pinch. Serpents quickness is an okay Idea as well. Either way you will at least need a self heal to counter veratas and botm life sacrific.

AeroLion · Mar 02, 2006, 11:01 PM // 23:01

I like N/R for serpents quickness or N/E for glyph of renewal. Heal area really doesn't matter much. Verata's Sacrifice, however, is essential and anything that lets you cast it more often should be preferred.

David Lionmaster · Mar 02, 2006, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayne2550

N/Mo is not as good of a choice as most seem to think. Yeah, Heal Area may seem like it would fit, but remember how Holy damage does double to undead? It is the same principle with Minions: Holy healing makes their health degen twice as fast. So yes, Heal Area gives a quick health boost to your Minions, but it hurts them also. So I strongly suggest against N/Mo. I prefer N/Me for energy spells, Also N/E is great for Glyph of Renewal {E}, used to double up on Verata's Sacrifice or Blood of the Master

wrongo! the whole heal area thing was just a myth, it is absolutely not true.

byteme! · Mar 03, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayne2550

N/Mo is not as good of a choice as most seem to think. Yeah, Heal Area may seem like it would fit, but remember how Holy damage does double to undead? It is the same principle with Minions: Holy healing makes their health degen twice as fast. So yes, Heal Area gives a quick health boost to your Minions, but it hurts them also. So I strongly suggest against N/Mo. I prefer N/Me for energy spells, Also N/E is great for Glyph of Renewal {E}, used to double up on Verata's Sacrifice or Blood of the Master

Somebody should edit this post before new players read this. Misinformation and rumors start this way.

sledgeunderhill · Mar 03, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

Too late, this is already being spouted as "truth" in B/P teams in Tombs.

Manic Smile · Mar 03, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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??iljo · Mar 09, 2006, 08:32 AM // 08:32

heal area sux arse...blood of the master and veratas ftw.

Manic Smile · Mar 09, 2006, 09:24 AM // 09:24

lol...suicide ftw.

Soul Shaker · Mar 09, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

on the heal area bit...

minions go to a degen of -20, meaning in the end, even verata's sacrifice can't save em. basically, the 10 regen for the sacrficice does nothing, because it just stays maxed out...

and if holy healing increase my minions degen, then i want to be able to use my healing spells offensively vs undead.

Mar 02, 2006, 09:13 PM // 21:13	#1
Nerubz Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2006	Minion Master 2nd proffesion? Hey, I'm pretty interested in the Minion Master build but I don't know which 2nd proffesion to choose I've been thinking about Mo and use Heal Area spell to keep my minions alive before/after battle. And I didn't find any other useful spell like this one in other classes' skill listing. Any suggestions? Thanks!

Mar 02, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32	#2
Jiao Yang Lunar Rabbit Join Date: Dec 2005	Im no MM but the main reason for being a N/Mo MM is for heal area so u can use it along side BotM. N/Me is also used for the mesmer energy managment capabilities. Take a look and the pre-set pvp Minion Master for some ideas

Mar 02, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48	#3
Nerubz Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2006	I think that soul reaping is priceless... and yes heal area too ^^

Mar 02, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00	#4
Epinephrine Master of Beasts Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ottawa, Canada Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	N/R. N/Mo is overrated, and heal area is wimpy. I'd much rather put a winnowing down and add 4 damage to all the attacks made by my horde, and have access to Serpent's Quickness to cycle spells fast (both raising them and getting my Verata's Sacrifice back up quicker), and have the option to use Energizing Winds to raise minions and fiends at 10 energy each etc... Oh, and if you look there <----- I started as a N/Mo, and typically run N/R for minions.

Mar 02, 2006, 10:11 PM // 22:11	#5
wsmcasey Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Right behind you. Guild: HeRo Profession: W/Rt	Is this or PvE or PvP? I'm guessing your N/R build is for PvP. I prefer heal area. Its a decent self heal that counters your life sacrificing skills: veratas, botd. Plus any extra bit of minion healing between battles really helps.

Mar 02, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18	#6
Rayne Nightfyre Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Acolytes of Lyssa [AL] Profession: Me/A	N/Mo is not as good of a choice as most seem to think. Yeah, Heal Area may seem like it would fit, but remember how Holy damage does double to undead? It is the same principle with Minions: Holy healing makes their health degen twice as fast. So yes, Heal Area gives a quick health boost to your Minions, but it hurts them also. So I strongly suggest against N/Mo. I prefer N/Me for energy spells, Also N/E is great for Glyph of Renewal {E}, used to double up on Verata's Sacrifice or Blood of the Master

Mar 02, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21	#7
wsmcasey Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Right behind you. Guild: HeRo Profession: W/Rt	is there a post or link somewhere that confirms healing from "Heal Area" increases the degen rate of minions? I've never heard of this theory/fact before.

Mar 02, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25	#8
Mordakai Grotto Attendant Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kyhlo Profession: W/	I'm pretty sure that theory was discounted. Minions degen faster the longer they are around, regardless, correct?

Mar 02, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34	#10
Skuld Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr] Profession: A/	N/E. Glyph of Renewal -> Verata's Sacrifice

Mar 02, 2006, 10:36 PM // 22:36	#12
wsmcasey Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Right behind you. Guild: HeRo Profession: W/Rt	Well my thoughts are that "Healing is Healing", its not holy damage so I don't believe that the degen would be faster. However, keeping veratas up as much as possible is a good idea, and I've read several threads discussing options with other secondaries besides monk. Time for me to experiment I guess. If you did use Glyph of renewal, then you will loose offering of blood, which I really like for energy in a pinch. Serpents quickness is an okay Idea as well. Either way you will at least need a self heal to counter veratas and botm life sacrific.

Mar 02, 2006, 11:01 PM // 23:01	#13
AeroLion Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005	I like N/R for serpents quickness or N/E for glyph of renewal. Heal area really doesn't matter much. Verata's Sacrifice, however, is essential and anything that lets you cast it more often should be preferred.

Mar 03, 2006, 03:51 AM // 03:51	#17
Manic Smile Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hawaii Guild: ----- 15^50[Rare] ---- Alliance: ----- [SMS] -----	Search

Mar 03, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57	#16
sledgeunderhill Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Gathering of Friends [GoF]	Too late, this is already being spouted as "truth" in B/P teams in Tombs.

Mar 09, 2006, 08:32 AM // 08:32	#18
??iljo Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: N/	heal area sux arse...blood of the master and veratas ftw.

Mar 09, 2006, 09:24 AM // 09:24	#19
Manic Smile Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hawaii Guild: ----- 15^50[Rare] ---- Alliance: ----- [SMS] -----	lol...suicide ftw.

Mar 09, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06	#20
Soul Shaker Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia Guild: Soul Crusaders	on the heal area bit... minions go to a degen of -20, meaning in the end, even verata's sacrifice can't save em. basically, the 10 regen for the sacrficice does nothing, because it just stays maxed out... and if holy healing increase my minions degen, then i want to be able to use my healing spells offensively vs undead.